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dema Fonero Pub A

Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 188 Location: Lamporecchio (pt) - ITALY
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 09:53 Post subject: |
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Good fulbrich.
Did you succeed in making the heartbeat in freddy's flavour ?
I had to modify the script , putting the cron stuff into /tmp/cron.d/thinclient , instead of /tmp/crontab.
Let me know. _________________ status: Linus
setup: ADSL2MUE linksys » Linksys WRT54GL
firmware: dd-wrt v23 sp2 09/15/06 std nokaid FON compliant
link: 1024><256 kbit/s
ISP: NGI Milano - Italy
wlan devices: apple mac book
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Freddy Fonero Pub A
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 11:19 Post subject: |
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I tested it with the firmware, problem was that it seems like the crond is starded after rc_startup and resets /tmp/crontab, the sleep 10 solved the problem for me  _________________ status: Linus
setup: Debian Router » Linksys WRT54G + La Fonera
firmware: custom (based on dd-wrt) overclocked to 216 mhz and a modified Fonera firmware
link: 3Mbit down 512 kbit/s up
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j_palito Fonero
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 13:15 Post subject: |
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well, i think it's working ok, now.
btw: i have another router listed that i don't know the mac address it uses (it must have been created th first time i used dd-wrt standard with chilispot) with the usual "...We are not psychics, but if you were capable of installing FON Advanced..."... is there anyway of removing it? |
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dema Fonero Pub A

Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 188 Location: Lamporecchio (pt) - ITALY
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 13:17 Post subject: |
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With your script , and the v.23 sp1 (fullbrich version without kaid) for me doesn't work.
With /tmp/cron.d/thinclient it works.
I added to rc_startup a cron job to clean the /tmp/var/log/thinclient.log everyday at 23.59. _________________ status: Linus
setup: ADSL2MUE linksys » Linksys WRT54GL
firmware: dd-wrt v23 sp2 09/15/06 std nokaid FON compliant
link: 1024><256 kbit/s
ISP: NGI Milano - Italy
wlan devices: apple mac book
callme on skype
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dema Fonero Pub A

Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 188 Location: Lamporecchio (pt) - ITALY
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 13:26 Post subject: |
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| j_palito wrote: | well, i think it's working ok, now.
btw: i have another router listed that i don't know the mac address it uses (it must have been created th first time i used dd-wrt standard with chilispot) with the usual "...We are not psychics, but if you were capable of installing FON Advanced..."... is there anyway of removing it? |
Retrieve the mac address of the router with
| Code: | | nvram show | grep chilli_radiusnasid |
And make the tweak needed to the freddy's thinclient script , basicaly changing the WLMAC and ETMAC variables. _________________ status: Linus
setup: ADSL2MUE linksys » Linksys WRT54GL
firmware: dd-wrt v23 sp2 09/15/06 std nokaid FON compliant
link: 1024><256 kbit/s
ISP: NGI Milano - Italy
wlan devices: apple mac book
callme on skype
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j_palito Fonero
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 15:03 Post subject: |
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dema: i don't think so... it apeared when i instaled ddwrt first time and tried to configure chilispot... since now i use mini version, i don't even heve that configuration and i would have to make exacly the same steps installing standard version... | Code: | /jffs # nvram show | grep chilli_radiusnasid
size: 22800 bytes (9968 left)
/jffs #
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well, let them be psychist and remove it by magic! |
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dema Fonero Pub A

Joined: 09 Jun 2006 Posts: 188 Location: Lamporecchio (pt) - ITALY
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 16:24 Post subject: |
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j_palito , I'm confused.
How can you use dd-wrt mini with fon , as it doesn't have chillispot compiled in ? _________________ status: Linus
setup: ADSL2MUE linksys » Linksys WRT54GL
firmware: dd-wrt v23 sp2 09/15/06 std nokaid FON compliant
link: 1024><256 kbit/s
ISP: NGI Milano - Italy
wlan devices: apple mac book
callme on skype
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j_palito Fonero
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 16:28 Post subject: |
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it all goes like this:
as soon as i found that fon firmware wasn't working properly, i installed dd-wrt standard. no space, lots of useless functions for me, etc... but i tried to configure chillispot as stated in the foruns.
all it gave were headeches since my laptop could never connect and i got another registered router with i don't know what mac address...
then, i disabled chillispot, and all worked fine.
then, since i hadn't any space left, i cleanned everything and installed ddwrt mini, and that's what i've been using since then.  |
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mathsped Fonero A
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 44 Location: Denmark
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 19:18 Post subject: |
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And I'm even more puzzled..how on earth can you run your router as a FON router with the Mini version of DD-WRT ?
AFAIK there aren't any mini versions of DD-WRT with built in chillispot ?
And if chillispot ain't in the firmware, how can you run your router as a FON HotSpot ? Unless you're in for a free ride, I'd like to know...
Of course U're not in for a free ride, as if U were, you wouldn't be in this thread. Would U ?
To get back on track in this thread:
I still haven't seen a new entry in /var/log/thinclient.log since 19:27:58 yesterday until now today: 20:26:49 with an uptime since last reboot of 1 day, 1:01,
But at the reboot putting the script in, I did get an entry in cron.d/thinclient, and as far as I know, anything in cron.d should run.
So, I still wonder if I've got a problem with cron in my firmware...sigh...
If I don't gey an entry in thinclient.log after midnight, I'll try Freddy's revised script. _________________ We are not pshychics, with 99% certainty - (c) FON
Router: Linksys WRT54-GL v.1.1 SSID: fon.com_free.wifi
Firmware: DD-WRT v23 SP1- Final (06/06/06) std ("FON compliant")
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Freddy Fonero Pub A
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 20:56 Post subject: |
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don't know, but maybe you can install chillispot on the jffs via h
this tool, ipkt _________________ status: Linus
setup: Debian Router » Linksys WRT54G + La Fonera
firmware: custom (based on dd-wrt) overclocked to 216 mhz and a modified Fonera firmware
link: 3Mbit down 512 kbit/s up
My Fonera Stuff
How to add a third signal to your Fonera |
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AustinTX FON-FRIENDS

Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 2683 Location: Austin, Texass
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 21:45 Post subject: |
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| Freddy wrote: | | don't know, but maybe you can install chillispot on the jffs via h this tool, ipkt | Read again what he said:
| j_palito wrote: | | it apeared when i instaled ddwrt first time and tried to configure chilispot... since now i use mini version, i don't even heve that configuration and i would have to make exacly the same steps installing standard version... | He does not understand that flashing the router *replaces* the software which was there instead of adding to it. He needs to reinstall DD-WRT standard since mini and micro DO NOT HAVE Chillispot.
Or else he needs to get involved with DD-WRT to learn how to compile his own firmware version!  _________________ Well, as Revolutions go, this one has certainly been revolting!
Linus || WRT54GL @ 228Mhz || DD-WRT v24 Beta (01/15/07) std
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Freddy Fonero Pub A
Joined: 26 Jul 2006 Posts: 230 Location: Germany
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 21:52 Post subject: |
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Because of the cron problem
it's really strange...
I tried to use a file in /tmp/cron.d/ first too, didn't work for me, that's why I used /tmp/crontab which worked for me on the v23 sp1 nokaid firmware _________________ status: Linus
setup: Debian Router » Linksys WRT54G + La Fonera
firmware: custom (based on dd-wrt) overclocked to 216 mhz and a modified Fonera firmware
link: 3Mbit down 512 kbit/s up
My Fonera Stuff
How to add a third signal to your Fonera |
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j_palito Fonero
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 23:17 Post subject: |
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hey guys... i don't want chillispot for now... i can't connect my laptop if it is active! so, i DON'T have chillispot in dd-wrt mini...
i'll only get chillispot working when i'm able to have two seperated networks: one internal where i can connect my laptop and communicate wirelesly with my computer, have no restrictions, connect a playstation, use emule, use torrents, use whatever i need, since the connection is mine, not fon's.
The other network is where i only share http (port 80) and nobody can download more than 100mb/month specialy from 9 am to 9 pm, since i pay for the surplus trafic beyound the 4gb/month quota i have, to avoid leechers, and this network can't even dream that i have a private network, so they can't mess up with it.
Since i see lots of work to be done, and since i have very few time to it, i'll be making this kind of configuration in my spare time and i'll only activate it, as soon all bugs are corrected. the other hipotesys is if anyone already have done this, but i so, i can't find it here...
All i want is:
1 network with:
hiden from exterior wireless clients be able to connect transparently since the internet access is mine be able to connect any computer/device i wan't to
And another network with:
port limitation (not even pop or imap. only 80)
so, i'm not on the free ride. i've been thrown out of the train by fon.
Since i'll have a lot to run to catch it again, anda make true, a concept i always had the need of, wich was free wireless access everywhere i went with my good old PDA, i'll have to work hard, and hopefully with all your help.
Fon is a great idea. But not with they're firmware.
As for compiling, yeah, i'm really thinking about it and i've already picked up knoppix. the rest of this adventure, well, give it time and it will born! |
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pezlin Fonero
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 02:56 Post subject: Wait... no mini? |
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Hello all, I just recieved my brand spankin' new Linksys router today and I've already messed around with it a little. After reading through this forum, I decided the risk of screwing up my new investment was outweighed by the potential benefit of running DD-WRT firmware.
I went ahead and grabbed a copy of dd-wrt.v23_sp1_mini threw it on my router and followed dema's instructions. All appears well, until I see people's reaction to j_palito using dd-wrt mini.
So now I'm confused. Which firmware should I use if I intend to continue running FON (since I wholeheartedly support what they're trying to do), and yet still maintain some control over my router via dd-wrt?
Dema - what version of dd-wrt are you using?
And to everybody else who currently has a working dd-wrt install, which model of router do you have? (The one I recieved today was a WRT54gs v.4) Will I still have room left over in my jffs with this model?
Thanks in advance for all the help!
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AustinTX FON-FRIENDS

Joined: 24 Feb 2006 Posts: 2683 Location: Austin, Texass
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 03:01 Post subject: |
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You install the mini or micro version first, because it frees up memory and has the handy web based upgrade interface to flash up to any other firmware version. Please check out these instructions and proceed from step 5:
http://boards.fon.com/viewtopic.php?p=6369#6369
j_palito knows that the mini and micro versions of DD-WRT don't have Chillispot installed, so they can't provide a fon hotspot. While some people are running scripts to simulate the fonbasic heartbeat, they are still providing working fon hotspots. j_palito is trying to go one step farther by not even running a hotspot.  _________________ Well, as Revolutions go, this one has certainly been revolting!
Linus || WRT54GL @ 228Mhz || DD-WRT v24 Beta (01/15/07) std
My background: ISP NOC Tech, DSL - ISDN - Dialup - Web Hosting
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j_palito Fonero
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 08:37 Post subject: |
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Austin, please, be nice and read all i've writen before posting that kind of comments, ok?
Wait! i'll have a resume here for you:
| Code: | History:
- Fon frimware: no internet/network in wireless devices
- dd-wrt standard + chillispot: no internet/network in wireless devices
- dd-wrt standard w/o chillispot: no free space
- dd-wrt mini: free space + connectivity. |
- to do next:
| Code: | - compile new dd-wrt with chillispot except things I don't need
- configure 2 independent networks
- isolate the public one
- unlimitate the private one
- limitate the public one with:
- bandwidth throtling
- port limitation
- usage quotas
- test everything
- put the hotspot back online as fon should have been from begining. |
Am I writing too much? It seems that or i'm not explaining miself correctly and for that, I'm sorry for my english, or that no one is reading all i write!
Let's clear one thing: I'M NOT IN THE FREE RIDE. I just want my hotspot to behave like it should have ever behaved and that FON didn't made it.
I want it to be a HotSpot, with chilli, without Chilli with sputnik (whatever that is) or with whatever software gives me the security and controll level i need.
I know that to do it, i'll have lots of work and compiling hours. Unless any of you already knows how to implement the above list and has done it successfully.
SO, CHILLISPOT WILL BE TURNED ON WHEN IT BEHAVES LIKE THE ABOVE LIST. SINCE I PAY FOR MY INTERNET ACCESS, AND I PAY FOR EXCESS OF TRAFFIC (2€ for each 100mb surplus above 4GB), I CAN'T LET IT OUT ALONE FOR LEECHERS AMUSE THEMSELVS AT MY EXPENSES. HELP ME MAKING THE FON ROUTER BEHAVE LIKE I ALREADY LISTED, AND WE'LL DECRESE THE IMPLEMENTATION TIME. IF YOU NOTICE, THIS IS ALSO USEFULL TO YOU ALL, UNLESS ADSL/CABLE CONNECTIONS ARE FOR FREE IN YOUR COUNTRY.
So, Austin, i'm not running any step further by not running a hotspot: i'm running after the real hotspot and for that, i'm going to need all the help, not that kind of comments.
If i was for not running any hotspot, you wouldn't even know that i don't use chillispot yet.
BTW: day one of the new firmware: i'm starting to follow these instructions inside a knoppinx virtual machinne: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Compiling_DD-WRT_Sources. let's see what I'll end up with... |
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pezlin Fonero
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:25 Post subject: Chilispot question |
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Austin: So If I understand you correctly first you install either the micro or mini dd-wrt just so you can update the flash through the Web GUI? I was able to go directly from Fon's firmware to mini using *their* web update.
After you have either micro or mini dd-wrt installed, you then install the Fon dd-wrt firmware... Isn't this going in circles? Where do you get the fon basic dd-wrt firmware?
Please excuse my numerous questions, but I'd like to get this router up as soon as possible so I can continue to contribute....
Pez |
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j_palito Fonero
Joined: 21 Jul 2006 Posts: 29
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 11:32 Post subject: Re: Chilispot question |
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| pezlin wrote: | | After you have either micro or mini dd-wrt installed, you then install the Fon dd-wrt firmware... |
no, no, no! wait! after dd-wrt mini you install dd-wrt standard! then, you go to "hotspot" tab in the management and enable chillispot with the options that i don't remember where they are, since they didn't workout for me...  |
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dioid Fonero C
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 109 Location: Linköping, Sweden
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 12:55 Post subject: |
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There is no FON basic DD-WRT version. The FON basic version is based on OpenWRT and not on DD-WRT. The old and deprecated FON advanced version is based on DD-WRT, and the standard DD-WRT has a hidden and unsupported FON-capability. _________________ status: Linus
setup: TP RJ-45 10Mbit ethernet connection in wall » WRT54GL with FON ))
firmware: FON Firmware (Beta 0.6.6)
link: Static IP ethernet 10><10 Mbit/s
ISP: visit.se
wlan devices: Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo A7640W laptop, Dell Latitude D420 laptop
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pezlin Fonero
Joined: 10 Aug 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 17:38 Post subject: |
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Ah-ha. So Now that i have mini installed, I need to install dd-wrt.v23_sp1_standard - then follow instructions posted earlier in this topic (messing with cron / scripting / etc).
Am I right?
- Pez |
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